Ex PLO Terrorist Speaking out for Israel ... ( audio and video links )

[kephra]

SummerWine said:

I discovered that most every so called bad/evil guy in today's world, my country had a hand in directing them to become what they are. By design or by accident. I am leaning towards both. By design due to corporate finaglings and by accident because we are so damn short sighted.

You will have to explain to me how the US caused Islam and their philosophy that God requires them to convert or kill everyone who is not Muslim.  This has been going on far longer than the US has existed.

Kephra, a couple of years ago, I probably would have agreed totally with you. I truly believed in my beloved country's "rightness" and "goodness". And that we were truly cowboys in white hats out to do good and save the world from all the bad guys out there.

The country reflects the people in general.  I agree with you that at one time the country really did try to improve the world, because that was the morality of the people.  Now the morality of the people in general has changed, and not for the better.  Further, this seems to be happening all over the world, not just in the US.  But does that make Islamic Jihad right?

Our soldiers raping and murdering. So hard to listen to, so hard for all their families, so hard for the families they killed.

As an ex-soldier, I know that labeling our military that way is the same as labeling every citizen a murderer and rapist because there are a few bad apples in the barrel that have done that.  Remember, there is no money in good news, so what does the mainstream media show you all the time?  As you said, "Time to grow up, time to stop hating, time to merge the positive with the negative". 

I see my emotions mirrored on every face I look into nowadays, battle fatigue.

This happens because you have an emotional attachment to the issue.  As I have stated before, during this time period, it is necessary to emotionally detach, and just be an observer.  Otherwise, you will attract more negativity to you, and it will sap the energy that you will shortly need to survive.  Things are only going to happen faster for a while.... all that karma to go through.

[kephra]

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(from Wikipedia) Muslims assert that the main written record of revelation to humanity is the Qur'an, which is flawless, immutable, and which Muslims believe is the final revelation of God to humanity.

Kinda sounds like how many Christians describe the Bible. Divinely inspired books never are wrong, right?
In spite of Islam being the fastest growing religion, I fail to see how it's a bigger threat than Christianity.

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HB,

Final revelation, and immutable are part of the problem aren't they.  That means that Islamic culture stopped evolving the minute the final word of the Qu'ran was written, and there can be no real change in their philosophies.

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity learned the lesson centuries ago that it is not necessary to force everyone else to become xtians or kill them off.  There is no xtian Jihad ongoing. 

As I said earlier in this thread, I believe all theocracies are bad, and personally, I subscribe to no religion.  Religions are control structures used to control the masses for their own purposes. 

[Human Being]

Hi Kephra,

"Evolution" isn't always a good thing, primarily when it regards that of the human mindset.
I think that the Christianity of today, when implemented by TPTB, is far more destructive
than it "used to be" back before Islam ever existed. The only lesson Christianity has learned
is that they can't outright kill "thousands" of people anymore. Now they use political action
committees, think tanks, the Supreme Court, etc. to influence X-ians and non-X-ians alike...

Oh wait. They do kill thousands of people outright. In Afghanistan and in Iraq, most recently.

If a religious movement pushes itself unto others in a "non-violent" way, it's okay? Not to me.
Say what you will about Islam, but Christianity takes the cake when it comes to trying to get
every living human being to convert. The raw numbers don't support your theories, but hey.
Regardless of how you paint it, if you "agree" with how the present "war" is being portrayed,
you just aren't taking into consideration all the "meta-aspects" of how TPTB get stuff done...

Islam isn't the problem today. Maybe in 700 A.D. it was, but today it doesn't stand a chance
against Christianity. The weapons at the disposal of the entire Christian "army" exceed Islam's.
Not only do the predominantly Christian nation/states have more nukes, they have more guns
and more rockets and more tanks and more aircraft carriers... etc. etc. etc. Christianity has to
be orchestrating "what's really happening" behind the scenes today. There is no alternative.

Unless you want to get "technical" and purport that at the highest levels TPTB are "pagans".
But take a look at the X-ian two-billion-plus sized army. Those "soldiers" don't use guns to kill.
Most of them don't even "fight". But the powerful ones that can wage negativity, surely do,
and on such a scale that someday the Supreme Court is going to "weigh in" on the battles...

Hey, I'm not wrong and you're not wrong, from our individual perspectives of course.
Like you said earlier, in a year or two we'll know what the master plan really was. Sigh.

I hate the current events of these times because they make so many people err in thought.

[eugene]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml

Christian Jihad is well well underway. Its cloaked in "patriotism" and under that is "our ole time religion" and under that "its in the bible" and most specifically "rapture". This last little gem is the key to the whole farce.

Lots and lots and lots of money makes it to Israel from the US ... LOTS! We also give them FREE weapons and lots of other goodies:

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=753&CategoryId=4

http://www.rense.com/general26/ORELSE.HTM

http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/israel050602.html

An exhaustive list of the who, what, when, where, and why of the "rapture" key:

http://www.historicist.com/related_subjects/rapturestudies.htm

All the "Louis Protheros" of Christian America are pushing this key which opened the door to a hell we will all see 

Americas next event will almost certainly serve as a cinch for Christian militants to come out of the woodwork. Considering the numbers that have been coming out lately in the news as to "inside job" seems as though this event is sooner rather than later. Cant let the threads get to loose!

As HB points out TPTB have such a long history of history manipulation. But yet is there a bigger picture than just the three bastards that come from Abraham? What is the bigger purpose of this? Christianity and I call this "Israeli Anglo Freemasonic Axis" is the biggest dog there is, no doubt, but considering the other cultures, prophecies, etc. that also arrive at similar timelines are they the only driving force? Personally I think its bigger than all of this. The axis is king of the hill right now ... but is it a puppet or a very effective servant of "something" bigger? If there is no purpose ... its time to start whacking the eye in the pyramid! Is there another alternative?

[REE01]

Anyone who constitutes a belief in higher spiritual purpose wont be involved on either side of this warring coin there minds are on spiritual realms, this is entire situation is primal faith does not require force, believe does not require control. While religions have forms of governing bodys that lead or mislead swaying for control of mind . You are oriented and trained to believe in a certain leadership in that there's a good chance your a pawn., and they have no real care for anything but promoting that system's own goals as you are being leeched on many levels by following that governing body, nothing spiritual about greed for control and power. Preach 35 minutes on tithing and throw in 2 verses for the spiritual feel good aspect 1 minute stomp your foot at the end to put fear in them as the last thing they remember, mainly because it woke them up and you have today's social club ,I mean church based form of religion. Most everything mentioned as religion today is the man made cloak and cover for those in power that are NON-SPIRTUAL MEN used as a platform for them to serve there own purposes and deceive the  meek masses so they can insert the illusion of moral good into there plotting lust for control, power, hatred or greed and gather funds for there corrupt causes, for whatever purpose it be left or right, same for TV, radio and newspapers to properly attune and control you. Long term plans are already set by them. In eastern religion they need bodies as tithes over coin, SO THEY ARENT INDOCTRINATED TO TITHING RATHER BODILY SACRIFICE, Can you imagine what kind of hellish and hate filled Hitleristic speeches they must be hearing to convince them killing is the way, and death is honorable  !!!

Just like your hometown has a 30 year growth plan only the key insiders know and buy into washing each others hands, much more do all country's and radical groups leaderships. When blaming religion realize its not really religious the heads aren't spiritual men no more than Charles Manson is, it is a business, they are destroyers of spirit, and siding with any governing body's that seek to divide and conquer, and crush the human spirit struggling to overcome says you have fell into there plot and contribute to some leech hiding in the shadows anymore who's robbing the soul of mankind to furthering any peaceful ascension, to oil his machine of choice.

...and I'm sure we've all heard this before but I wanted to contribute, to keep your boots aiming at the correct orifice ! 

[kephra]

HumanBeing,

If a religious movement pushes itself unto others in a "non-violent" way, it's okay? Not to me. Say what you will about Islam, but Christianity takes the cake when it comes to trying to get every living human being to convert.

Well somehow I see a difference between a Jehova's Witness and a Hezbollah Jihadist with a rocket launcher.  I have never had any trouble fighting off a Hare Krishna or a Jehova's Witness, or a Mormon kid with a bicycle, and I have never ever had a Jew try to convert me.  Now if a nubile wood nymph were to try to convert me to Wicca, I might be tempted.

The weapons at the disposal of the entire Christian "army" exceed Islam's.  Not only do the predominantly Christian nation/states have more nukes, they have more guns and more rockets and more tanks and more aircraft carriers... etc. etc. etc.

It takes more to win than just swords... it takes motivation, something which Americans lack.  When people are taught from the time they are born to hate Jews and Americans, and believe we are the satan, they have a lot of motivation. 

Speaking of weapons, the Arab world has us over a barrel (pun intended).  They can shut off the oil anytime they want, and cripple us within a couple of weeks.  The American people are so soft and weak willed that we would surrender (although we wouldn't call it that) and they wouldn't have to fire a shot.  They know that, and we know that.  Not all weapons go bang, and that threat has already been made.  Then there are the Russian built Sunburn missiles which are specifically designed to take out our aircraft carriers.  We have no defense against them, and most of the US military might is dependant on air superiority, and lots of high tech equipment.  The other side however figured out that it is far cheaper to make an anti-tank weapon than to make a tank, and it is cheaper to build an anti-ship missle than to build a ship.  It is not clear to me that we are the mightiest super power.  If what you say is true, there would be no doubt about who is winning the war in Iraq, would there? 

Unless you want to get "technical" and purport that at the highest levels TPTB are "pagans".

I believe that bankers are the real PTB.  They own everything and control everything.   Whether they are Zoroastrians, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jews or Wiccan makes no difference... they bow at the altar of money.  Being a debtor nation, the USA is most vulnerable to control by the bankers of the world. 

Hey, I'm not wrong and you're not wrong, from our individual perspectives of course.  Like you said earlier, in a year or two we'll know what the master plan really was. Sigh.

On that we agree.  I do have an idea what the current conflict is really about.  Its really has to do with the UN sanctions on Iran's Nuclear program.  Iran is hoping that Hezbollah strikes the Israeli nuclear plant at Dimona.  If they can blow up that plant, it will expose the fact that Israel has been making weapons grade plutonium.  Once that occurs, then Iran can say that they need to be nuclear to protect themselves from Israel.  Thats a pretty strong argument and might work. 

But I really can't believe that allowing Iran to go nuclear will bring about a better chance for lasting peace. Do you?

I hate the current events of these times because they make so many people err in thought.

Who is to say they err?  Everyone sees the same events in different light don't they?  Personallly, I don't hate the current events, as hating something draws more of the same to you.  I try only to observe them and stay out of their way.  If and when it becomes impossible to stay out of the way, then I'll jump in and do whatever I can.  (So far that has only happened once.)

[Summer Wine]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525834303&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


'Evangelicals the world over are praying fervently for Israel'

Tovah Lazaroff, THE JERUSALEM POST  Aug. 9, 2006

Wearing white and trusting that God will watch over him in a war zone, the American Christian Evangelical leader Pat Robertson is visiting Israel this week to offer his support for a country whose very existence he believes is threatened by Hizbullah in Lebanon.

Arriving on Monday for a three-day visit, he has since traveled up to the northern boarder where, in spite of the warning sirens and the constant thud of rocket explosions, he televised a segment of his evangelical TV show The 700 Club, which is produced five days a week and broadcast around the world.

"We are praying for Israel during this time of crisis," he told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday over coffee and tea before he left for the northern border.

"The Evangelical community is standing with this nation," said the founder and chairman of the Christian Broadcasting Network, who has received a number of awards recognizing his long time friendship to Israel. The strong US support for Israel in general is partially due to the Evangelical community, he told The Jerusalem Post.

Robertson added that he plans to express this support to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert when he meets with him on Wednesday. But in spite of the warm friendship he feels for Olmert, he will also tell him, diplomatically, that the Evangelical community is opposed to any plans to give up land and that it would be a mistake for Olmert to link his realignment plan to withdraw from areas of the West Bank with the fight against Hizbullah in Lebanon.

much more at link above


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1224273,00.html
How Hizbullah HiJacks the Internet

The group pops up on unwitting Web sites around the world in order to communicate, recruit and fundraise

What do a small south Texas cable company, a suburban Virginia cable provider and Web-hosting servers in Delhi, Montreal, Brooklyn and New Jersey have in common? Since fighting broke out in Lebanon, they all have had their communications portals hijacked by Hizballah. Hackers from the militant Lebanese group are trolling the Internet for vulnerable sites to communicate with one another and to broadcast messages from Al-Manar television, which is banned in the U.S. In the cyberterrorism trade it is known as "whack-a-mole" — just like the old carnival game, Hizballah sites pop up, get whacked down and then pop up again somewhere else on the World Wide Web.

"As the Israelis tighten the noose on Hizballah in Lebanon, these communication nodes become critical," said Fred Burton, a former U.S. counterterrorism official and now vice president of Stratfor, a security consulting and forecasting company in Austin, Tex. In today's asymmetrical warfare, the Internet is vital to groups like Hizballah who use it to recruit, raise money, communicate and propagandize, Burton said, including transmissions from Hizballah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.

The recent hijacking of a South Texas cable operator is a case study in how Hizballah moves in. The Texas cable company has an agreement with a New York-based satellite communications aggregator, which moves feeds to a variety of customers from throughout the world, including Lebanon. A technician in New York made an "improper connection," according to an official with the cable company's communications provider who detailed the hijack for TIME. That opening was detected by Hizballah.

Al-Manar, widely considered a mouthpiece for Hizballah and categorized as a terrorist group by the U.S., linked to the small cable company's IP (Internet Protocol) address, which can be thought of, in simple terms, as a telephone number. Hizballah essentially added an extension on that telephone line allowing their traffic to flow. Hizballah then gets the word out through e-mail and blogs that it can be found at that IP address and the hijack is complete. If the hijack is not detected, the IP address can be linked to a new domain name and that opens up the site to anyone who might search online for Al-Manar content. Hizballah uses these Web sites to run recruitment videos and post bank account numbers where supporters can donate funds.

Hijackings are normally quickly discovered by the Society for Internet Research, an informal consortium of self-described "freelance counterterrorists" who sit in home offices and dens tracking jihadist activity on the Internet. In turn, they alert the media or simply call the hijacked company. Alerted to the south Texas hijack, the cable company's communications provider reported the incident to U.S. authorities and the IP address was shut down.

Perhaps, the most famous player of the "whack-a-mole" game is Aaron Weisburd, 42, a computer programmer who operates one of the Society's projects from his home office in southern Illinois. His Web site, Internet Haganah — the name is an homage to Israeli paramilitary fighters — tracks Hizballah and other groups as they wander the Web. Weisburd's hijack logs go back for several years and include the latest Hizballah hijacks since fighting began. "Notice to the jihadis in the audience," he writes on his site. "You can't hide."

Burton said shutting the sites down is a "double-edged sword." As a former U.S. counterterrorism official, he sees the value of keeping the sites up so intelligence services can collect "forensic" evidence. "It's important to see what they are saying," he says, noting that Hizballah has resource bases in Indonesia and the tri-border area (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay) of South America. Given Hizballah's links to Iran, which offers its operatives diplomatic cover around the world, according to Burton, monitoring Hizballah's Internet presence is vital as part of the "cat and mouse" game with Western intelligence. But shutting them down also limits their fundraising, recruiting and propaganda efforts, Burton said.

In March, the whack-a-mole players gained a new weapon in their fight when the U.S. Treasury announced that any U.S. company found to be doing business with Al-Manar will be subject to sanctions and possible prosecution. The new rules mean that freelance counterterrorists can remind slow-moving, reluctant or even compliant Web hosters that they face financial sanctions if they do not act to shut down Al-Manar. The south Texas cable company's communications provider was quick to alert U.S. authorities and the portal closed, but Hizballah was just as quick to play the whack-a-mole game and a new site sprang up from an Indian Web-hosting company within hours. Said Burton: "As long as the war drags on, these communication portals will be critical as Hizballah tries to get its global message out across the world."