Ex PLO Terrorist Speaking out for Israel ... ( audio and video links )

[REE01]

This is someone we all need to understand clearly, on a subject not to be ostriches of indecision about anymore. Liberals be warned you may wet your pants !

 http://shoebat.com/

[kephra]

Its good to know there is at least one sensible Arab.

I got a real kick out of the Arab nation (forget which one) that accused Condi Rice of favoring Israel over Hezbollah....  duh!!!  Hezbollah is a bunch of terrorists controlled by Iran who believes that Israel should not be allowed to exist.  The fact that some Lebonese civilians get killed in this conflict should be placed squarely on the shoulders of Hezbollah for making the choice to use them as shields.  And the fact that UN observers got blown up should be viewed from the backdrop that Hezbollah originally kidnapped the Israeli soldiers while dressed in UN uniforms.

No cease fire can ever resolve these issues between Israel and the other Arab countries.  As long as Arab children are taught to hate Israel and how to properly wear explosives, there can be no peace.  As long as Arab children are being taught to hate the US, we are involved whether we want to be or not.
 

[annemarie j]

Published on Friday, August 4, 2006 by the Long Island, New York Newsday 
Why Doesn't Israel Work For Peace?
Holocaust victims would decry the slaughter of innocent children during attacks on Hezbollah
 
by Silvia Tennenbaum
 
As a Jew who escaped the Holocaust by moving with my family to America in 1938, I turn on the BBC at night. And what I see are clouds of black smoke, explosions; the dead and the dying - children crying bitterly, cities in ruins. Only yesterday, these piles of rubble in Lebanon were home to thousands. Now, the cars roll out onto the highways, white flags attached to the windshields and doors. More than half a million are homeless.

The Israelis told them to leave, but then strafed one convoy from a helicopter. The military people exert their force without pity. They win their wars proudly. They are the masters of force.

Using the most modern weapons the United States can supply to search out the Hezbollah guerrillas, the Israeli soldiers destroy Lebanon. They wreck all of Gaza, seeking to murder the leaders of Hamas.

Many American Jews gather proudly to cheer them on. The face of the American president remains blank. A patter of platitudes issues from his lips. He is not interested in peace. He is happy to see Israel do the dirty war for him. Diplomacy is a word not in his dictionary.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0804-27.htm

 

[annemarie j]

http://tinyurl.com/zemcr

Fox News interviews Rabbi speaking about Israel.

Video is titled, Blame Israel? 

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http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m25422&hd=0&size=1&l=e

NEVER FORGET
Joseph Cannon, Cannonfire



August 3, 2006

From the Christian Science Monitor:

Hizbullah's capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12 was a direct result of Israel's silent but unrelenting aggression against Lebanon, which in turn is part of a six-decades long Arab-Israeli conflict.

Since its withdrawal of occupation forces from southern Lebanon in May 2000, Israel has violated the United Nations-monitored "blue line" on an almost daily basis, according to UN reports. Hizbullah's military doctrine, articulated in the early 1990s, states that it will fire Katyusha rockets into Israel only in response to Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilians or Hizbullah's leadership; this indeed has been the pattern.

In the process of its violations, Israel has terrorized the general population, destroyed private property, and killed numerous civilians...

 
The real trick, in terms of keeping American and British public opinion on side, is to blur the sequence of events that led to the war and present it as a desperate Israeli struggle against an unprovoked onslaught by thousands of terrorist rockets.
As for my previously-articulated theory that the war is, in large measure, about access to increasingly-scarce water resouces, note that the ground invasion is being chracterized as a "push to the Litani River." And we have this from Uri Avnery:
Now the generals are convinced that there is no alternative to occupying the whole area up to the Litani River, about 24 km from the border, in order to prevent the rockets from being launched from there. Then they will find out that they have to reach the Awali River, 40 km inside - the famous 40 km which Menachem Begin talked about in 1982.

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Also Google Uri Averny to read many articles from this man who is an ex-member of the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament.


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Kephra wrote:  "Its good to know there is at least one sensible Arab."


I was deeply saddened and disappointed to read that comment. Basically, the conflict is not as black&white, or as cut&dry as what was being alluded to above, specifically Arabs = evil, Jews/Israelis =good.

I feel that the worst that we can do in these times is take sides. We should be working towards peaceful solutions. The last thing we need is more divisiveness and hate. The divisiveness and hate are what got us into these messes. Time is running out.

[kephra]

Annemarie,

Kephra wrote:  "Its good to know there is at least one sensible Arab."


I was deeply saddened and disappointed to read that comment. Basically, the conflict is not as black&white, or as cut&dry as what was being alluded to above, specifically Arabs = evil, Jews/Israelis =good.

I feel that the worst that we can do in these times is take sides. We should be working towards peaceful solutions. The last thing we need is more divisiveness and hate. The divisiveness and hate are what got us into these messes. Time is running out.

Well, I'm sorry that I have disappointed you.

I wrote that comment precisely because there can be no peace unless BOTH sides make an effort.  Right now, we have Iran stating that Israel does not have a right to exist and they should all be killed.  And the Israeli's know that could happen.  They have survived this long only because they have been aggressive.  After all, Israel has a population of 7 million people, compared to Iran's 68 million, not to mention the rest of the Arab world.

As for a peaceful solution; there is none.  This will be over when its over.  The UN is a powerless agency, and no amount of policing will change either sides mind about the other.  The best a UN peacekeeping force ,or any peacekeeping force for that matter, can do is delay what would happen anyway. 

His statement:

"No one (Arab or Jew) has a "right of return". Jews who fled Arab persecution from 1948 to 1956 should have no right of return to Arab lands, and Arabs who ran away in 1948 and 1967 should have no right of return either. This should end all argument. Yet the Jews accept this judgment, while the Arabs reject EVERYTHING."

seems very sensible to me because he advocates that both sides should have to live by the same rules. 

You are right... nothing is ever black/white or good/evil. And the conflict is not just about land, it is also about cultures.  On the one hand, we have the Islamic world who believes that anyone who is not Muslim is an infidel and should be killed, and on the other we have the Jewish world who believes it is not necessary for everyone to be Jewish.  Which attitude has the higher moral ground?  Both sides would say they do.  No amount of UN resolutions or katyusha rockets or artillery shells are going to change that.  Change has to start with one person in the conflict saying that they might be wrong.

Yes, not all Muslims are so fanatical, but it is the fanatical ones who are leading the countries.  Theocracies are a bad idea in any country.

Here is the Islamic playbook From the Qu'ran:

    * "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)

    * "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29)

    * "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)

    * "Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)

    * Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. (Qur'an 8:37-39)

    * And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. (Qur'an 2:193)

    * "Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123)

    * "For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)

And from the Hadith:

    * "You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia) (Hadith, 4363)

    * "I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims." (Hadith Sahih 4366)

Do you think such philosophy is healthy and just? 

According to the Qu'ran, Muslims must fight until the infidels surrender... so the only way to end the conflict is for all of the jews and christians to convert to Islam.   That's not going to happen.

Yeah, Hezbollah might want a ceasefire.... so they can rearm.  Isreal doesn't want a ceasefire because they know that, and they know that a ceasefire will not end the hostilities. 

I'm just hoping that we stay out of it.

[REE01]

Wow !  Annemarie you almost sounded like a Hezbolah supporter. As for me I wont be shopping for a turban in this lifetime, or flying any gang colors to be peaceful with them as they ruin nieghborhoods, defending radicals which strap bombs to themselves to terrorize others, and blow up busloads of innocent unsuspecting women, children and men, or promoting cultures that teach there innocent little children to hate, and die to perserve that hatred from any country or culture on earth it's unacceptable. Israel is the size of 2 U.S. counties, under threat constantly by radicals that have no respect for their lifes or yours. If everyone was spineless we would all be dead or wearing turbans by the year 2200. Your right to free speech would also be gone, your childrens, grandchildrens and all future generations freedom, lifestyle, hopes and dreams. I can only hope you had an extended bout with PMS as you posted these topics, and have since regained your senses. You can also thank every Israeli that fights today for saving many americans lives future, until we are pressed and there is no other choice for us either. Asking for peace at this stage only brings more oppourtunity to regroup and reset strategies to more effectively destroy, try that concept with roaches you'll get the idea ! Pray for better marksmanship to save innocent lives today, and hardline courts to hang the guilty radicals tommorrow.

Sincerely, Archie Bunker

[annemarie j]

Israeli Jews and Arab Muslims have been pitted against each other (the hate propaganda is rampant and common on BOTH sides) for so long now, [I'm sorry but if most people can't see that, they have not been doing balanced research or they too have become victims of said propaganda ]  that it's nigh impossible for most ordinary citizens of the Middle East to even see that they've ALL been had. 

Specifically it is the weapons manufacturers and other war profiteers of whom there are many including companies like Halliburton, Black Water, et al... and their banker/financiers who are behind all this hate, genocide, and slaughter.  They are the actual TPTB, the real decision makers, the ones who control government (the so-called "hidden hands"), and in turn the media...  If it weren't for their insatiable bloodlust and greed, none of this would be happening.

Kephra, when I was talking about "black&white" I was referring to people, specifically the masses. However, I do see this (and other battles) literally as Good versus Evil.  But it is not the masses of the people who are instigating or perpetuating this hatefest, they (we) are pawns in these horrific war games.


Reeo1 aka Archie Bunker, you really should dispense with the childish references to "almost sounded like a Hezbollah supporter" and the sexist tripe about me having an extended bout with PMS. It renders what you wrote not even worth reading, and you not worth listening to.

Fyi, despicable acts of terrorism aren't committed only by ragtag malcontents and rabid lunatics e.g. Al Qaeda or Hezbollah fighters. It's also committed on populations by officially recognized military and gov't. forces, including those of Israel, Britain, America, France, Russia, China, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, etc. etc...

[kephra]

Israeli Jews and Arab Muslims have been pitted against each other (the hate propaganda is rampant and common on BOTH sides) for so long now, [I'm sorry but if most people can't see that, they have not been doing balanced research or they too have become victims of said propaganda ]  that it's nigh impossible for most ordinary citizens of the Middle East to even see that they've ALL been had.

Yes of course thats true, and the reason stems from perpetual religious indoctrination.

Specifically it is the weapons manufacturers and other war profiteers of whom there are many including companies like Halliburton, Black Water, et al... and their banker/financiers who are behind all this hate, genocide, and slaughter.  They are the actual TPTB, the real decision makers, the ones who control government (the so-called "hidden hands"), and in turn the media...  If it weren't for their insatiable bloodlust and greed, none of this would be happening.

Well, all this has been going on well before the days of Haliburton et al, so I have to say that they are not the prime reason for the continuous conflict.  They are however taking full advantage of it.  Bankers on the other hand have been the power behind the throne since the concept of money was invented.
 

Kephra, when I was talking about "black&white" I was referring to people, specifically the masses. However, I do see this (and other battles) literally as Good versus Evil.  But it is not the masses of the people who are instigating or perpetuating this hatefest, they (we) are pawns in these horrific war games.

True, the common man is too busy handling his own life on a local level.  However it is our choice to be pawns in the final analysis. 

If battles are between Good and Evil, which side is good and which side is evil?  Doesn't that depend on which side of the argument one is on?  Everyone thinks their own side is Good.  Since there is currently a battle going on, which side is Good, and which is Evil?   

Reeo1 aka Archie Bunker, you really should dispense with the childish references to "almost sounded like a Hezbollah supporter" and the sexist tripe about me having an extended bout with PMS. It renders what you wrote not even worth reading, and you not worth listening to.

I refer everyone to this post..

Fyi, despicable acts of terrorism aren't committed only by ragtag malcontents and rabid lunatics e.g. Al Qaeda or Hezbollah fighters. It's also committed on populations by officially recognized military and gov't. forces, including those of Israel, Britain, America, France, Russia, China, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, etc. etc...

How true... countries are made up of people, and people do terrible things.  I'm glad that I am an immortal spirit, and all thing shall pass.

[Summer Wine]

George Washington - "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence,... the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But the jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided ...Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike for another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side... Real Patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."

And Annemarie how much more eloquent you are than I could ever pretend to be.

Yes, in my mind, I feel only great sadness and pity for each side. They are being played and manipulated and used like chess pieces on some great gameboard. The real question we should all be concerned with is who owns this gameboard. And is it being played merely for profit. Or is there some millennium long “great game” afoot where all of civilization is being molded psychologically and powerfully into some great plan. And is this plan evil and only meant to control the entire earth?

Or, perhaps just like everything there are a little good and a little bad. Lofty goals beat in hearts that believe they are God’s instruments. And they are saving the world and making it a better place.

And what a quandary, because that is exactly what is behind all wars.

Ever since the birth of Jesus, the world has changed. A war has been raging all the way till now, the 21st century. The hearts of men are still evolving. But now we are in our 21st century. A great leap into adult hood. Time to grow up.

And yes, both of you sound filled with propaganda. Yes, there are fanatic “terrorists” on both sides. I hold the neocons just as crazy as Hizbollah. Let’s just nuke the world and build it back the way we think it should be.

And REE01, please, men always resort to that little jab at women with an attitude that disagrees with theirs. Another example of years and years of war. Male and female.

And yes, perfect Archie Bunker thought. So why did you resort to it?  A cowardly way to disagree in my opinion.

Ooh sorry, I must have PMS! (putting up with men's shit!)

course you did light a little fire here today.

[kephra]

And what a quandary, because that is exactly what is behind all wars.

Violence (war) is the last defense of ones point of view.  Can't remember who said that.

[REE01]

You caught my jest very well in reflection...  It renders what you wrote not even worth reading, etc.

Moral of the story: Don't ever listen to or participate in politically biased ongoing debate or your neural synapsis may be similarly effected.

Let's keep things interesting nothing personal, I extend to you the proverbial olive branch ladies, lol.  

[Summer Wine]

I accept your "olive branch".

now I realize that this is totally off-topic but my thoughts on all this good/evil, is a loop that we have been stuck in forever. And I think more and more of us want to ping out of this loop. And the only way out is to "wake up" and realize that we are all wrong. There are no winners in war or killing. It's just plain murder, and it's evil. And anybody that tells me they are promoting freedom by blowing up innocents is evil, both sides will never win or never ping out of the loop.

Spinning it good guys vs. bad guys just don't cut it with me anymore. I am tired of being an "ape" pounding on another "ape" with a bone.

found this -

~ Hitler Was Most Definitely A Christian

[denying this is revisionism. another myth was that he was vegetarian. he wasn't.]

Postwar Christian apologists have put perhaps their greatest efforts into creating the myth that Adolf Hitler was not a Christian. An entire cottage industry seems to have sprung up around the desire to perpetuate this myth, and while its motivations are perfectly understandable (who would want to be associated with Hitler in any way?), its dishonesty is unjustifiable.

By painting Hitler as something other than he was, these propagandists try to cast doubt on the morality of their opponents, and shore up their own claims of superior morality (all in service to the stubborn and intolerant belief that morality is ultimately decided by religious affiliation rather than individual attitudes).

To be more specific, Hitler believed that the Aryan race was descended from Adam and Eve, but everyone else evolved naturally.

He believed that Jesus of Nazareth was an Aryan, not a Jew, and that Jesus fought the Jews and was killed by them. He believed in life after death, the supreme being, and universal creation. He opposed the Catholic church only because its seat of power was in Rome, not Berlin. He was intolerant of competing versions of Christianity (an approach lifted directly from the Catholic playbook), but at no time did he ever commit acts or express beliefs which were not expressed by other Christians before him such as Martin Luther.

quotes from Mein Kampf

"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image."

"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."

"The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."


[sounds like the current republicans to me...]

"For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!'"

Hitler's beliefs are expressed quite clearly in Mein Kampf, and they are as follows:

1. He believed in Heaven, Hell, a supreme being who created the universe, Jesus Christ, life after death, special creation, original sin, expulsion from paradise, and divine judgement.
2. He drew his inspiration from the Viennese Christian Social movement, and he expressed nothing but admiration for its founder.
3. He believed that Jesus Christ was an Aryan, not a Jew. In fact, he claimed that Jesus "made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity".
4. He used the term "human" to describe only Aryans. He described blacks, Jews, and (presumably) other non-Aryan races as a disease, or as lower animals (notice that he described Jews as an "adversary of all humanity", thus clearly describing them as something other than humans).

[it's very important to note that Hitler did not just murder Jews. he rounded up, sectioned off & murdered anyone that he considered inferior: homosexuals, communists, gypsies, & yes, pot smokers. the color code for drug offenses was a green triangle worn around the sleeve. does this sound familiar in today's culture?]
5. He thought that interracial marriage would produce "monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and should be fought with religious fervour. This makes his beliefs on evolution and creation very clear; he thought that Aryans were created in God's own image, while all other races evolved from apes. This should come as no surprise; not only was this an overwhelmingly common belief during the age of European imperialism which lasted right up to the end of the 19th century, but it persists to this day (a lot of white supremacists still refer to blacks as "monkeys"). In his view, it was therefore an unnatural and unholy dilution of God's image for Aryans and non-Aryans to mate.
6. He believed that Germany lost World War I because it turned its back on God, much as Israel was repeatedly humiliated and defeated whenever it turned away from God in the Old Testament.

Hitler's writings reveal a religious fanatic: a Christian and a creationist, driven by the belief that racial intermixing was destroying the purity of God's creation (the Aryan race, which he imagined to include Jesus) by mating with naturally evolved "apes". His actions were wholly consistent with this belief. Consider:

1. While some Christians believe that all acts of war violate God's will, the majority of Christians throughout history have believed in the idea of the "just war"; a war of good against evil, in which the good guys commit no wrong by waging war on the bad guys (for example, World War Two is widely cited as the last "just war", despite the fact that the "good guys" ended it by dropping nuclear weapons on civilian targets without explicit warning). Hitler obviously shared this belief; he thought he was fighting for a just cause.
2. While some Christians claim that racism is inherently anti-Christian, the sheer numbers of Christian racists throughout history easily put the lie to that claim. In reality, the Old Testament is an extremely racist tome, and Jesus said very little to contradict its message of a "chosen people" in the New Testament. Moreover, the virulent racism of both Catholic and Protestant conquerors in Africa, India, and the Americas during the age of European colonialism makes any claims of Christianity's inherent anti-racism absolutely laughable.
3. While most Christians believe that the sixth commandment outlaws murder, they believe that it does not extend to the killing of animals. Hitler believed that non-Aryans were animals. Most Christians also believe that murder can be justified (eg- self defense). Hitler believed that the world was arrayed against Germany and that their national actions were taken in self-defense.

The harsh reality is that there is no credible evidence whatsoever for the notion that Hitler was not a Christian. He might not have practiced your next-door neighbour's version of Christianity, but based on all credible sources including his own seminal Mein Kampf, he did believe in Jesus Christ, the supreme being, Heaven and Hell, divine judgement, expulsion from paradise, etc.

[kephra]

now I realize that this is totally off-topic but my thoughts on all this good/evil, is a loop that we have been stuck in forever. And I think more and more of us want to ping out of this loop. And the only way out is to "wake up" and realize that we are all wrong. There are no winners in war or killing. It's just plain murder, and it's evil. And anybody that tells me they are promoting freedom by blowing up innocents is evil, both sides will never win or never ping out of the loop.

Here are my thoughts about that...  feel free to ignore them if you like.

Good guys/bad guys is just a point of view.  Whoever supports one's ideals and viewpoints is a good guy.  Whoever opposes one's ideals is a bad guy.  So whether Iran is a good guy or a bad guy depends not on Iran, but upon you.  Whether Israel is a good guy or a bad guy depends on you. 

The only way to avoid war and conflict is simple.   Surrender to the other point of view.   If someone is willing to do that, then obviously their own point of view is unimportant, and they feel their own life is unimportant, because in the end, all we are is our thoughts.  Thats not something I would do, because I am a sovereign being and intend to stay that way.

Note that changing one's mind for one's own reasons is not surrender. 

Viewed from the much larger context of the species, and even larger from the universe; conflict is what drives evolution and change.  No conflict, no change.
 
Viewed from the concept of only one life, death is a tragedy.

Viewed from the concept of being an immortal spirit dipping into and out of physical life as often as we want or need, then death is just another doorway we pass through.  (Reincarnation was originally taught in the Bible, but just about all references were removed by Constantine....  Controlling the masses is easier if they believe their current life is the only one... its always about control isn't it?)

Everything that is happening right now is a lesson.  Its a lesson we have to learn in a very short time, just a few years. 

The Islamic world has been at war since the year 624.  Why?  Because Muhammed was a warrior who engaged in over 80 battles, personally leading 27 of them during the last 10 years of his life.  He left behind specific battle strategies that the Muslim's have been following ever since.  Anyone who does not subscribe to the tenets of the Qu'ran is not a Muslim, and therefore become a target themselves.  (Kind of like how anyone who opposes the Patriot Act must be a terrorist).

From his lifetime on, the Islamic goal has always been to convert the entire world to Islam. One world religion, one world religious government.  To this day, that has not changed.  No amount of negotiation, or placation, or concession will change their basic philosophy and goal.  That is what history shows.  Up until now, the Islamic world never had enough might to actually accomplish their goal.  Now they do.  Between control of the world's energy supply, and having nuclear weapons (Pakistan is an Islamic country with nukes) they have a lot of power, and ability to carry out their goal.

From my point of view, that makes them bad guys.

There is one way to defeat this:  The Muslim people themselves will never give up their goals, unless the Qu'ran itself is defeated by some astounding world event that shows the Qu'ran is wrong or obsolete.  What that could possibly be?  I don't know, but as a guess, an event like a new (probably false) messiah/prophet (antichrist perhaps?) showing up could do that.  Will that happen?  Who knows, but it would not surprise me that that is in the script.  2007?

[Human Being]

Caucasians who don't worship Muhammad pretty much control the world. Worry about them first, IMO.

And regarding the Qur'an...

(from Wikipedia) Muslims assert that the main written record of revelation to humanity is the Qur'an, which is flawless, immutable, and which Muslims believe is the final revelation of God to humanity.

Kinda sounds like how many Christians describe the Bible. Divinely inspired books never are wrong, right?
In spite of Islam being the fastest growing religion, I fail to see how it's a bigger threat than Christianity.

Please don't forget how scripted things are. TPTB control things, not Muslims. Oh sure, some Muslims are
under the umbrella, in cahoots, etc. And so are some Israelis, and some Lebanese, and some Syrians, etc.


I pretty much agree with AMJ's posts.

[Summer Wine]

I yam what I yam, said Popeye the sailor man...

so full steam ahead, I am beyond worrying if I sound like an Arkie from Arkansas, cause I yam!

Kephra, a couple of years ago, I probably would have agreed totally with you. I truly believed in my beloved country's "rightness" and "goodness". And that we were truly cowboys in white hats out to do good and save the world from all the bad guys out there.

But, rightly or wrongly, I am beyond that. And believe you me, getting beyond that is more painful than I can describe. Shook me down to my toes.

I discovered that most every so called bad/evil guy in today's world, my country had a hand in directing them to become what they are. By design or by accident. I am leaning towards both. By design due to corporate finaglings and by accident because we are so damn short sighted.

Been thinking about what to say as a reply and frustrated because my limited writing skills can't possibly put down all the thoughts that I want to say.

All I can say is that I feel "intelligent design" happening, I keep flashing back in my mind to an old Star Trek episode where Captain Kirk went through some tachyonic storm and it caused him to split into a positive (white face) and negative (black face). Electron and neutron. But both parts of him. And when I look at the Middle East, crazy Muslims, I see our image reflected back at us as a flip side of the same coin.

I see my emotions mirrored on every face I look into nowadays, battle fatigue.

Our soldiers raping and murdering. So hard to listen to, so hard for all their families, so hard for the families they killed.

Time to grow up, time to stop hating, time to merge that postive with the negative.

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

Aquarius

When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius! Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

As our hearts go beating through the night
We dance unto the dawn of day
To be the bearers of the water
Our light will lead the way

We are the spirit of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
Angelic illumination
Rising fiery constellation
Travelling our starry courses
Guided by the cosmic forces
Oh, care for us; Aquarius

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