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Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« on: March 30, 2006, 11:17:12 PM »

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/03/29/notes032906.DTL

It's everywhere. People that a couple of years ago would never discuss such things, not polite you know to question our leaders.
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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2006, 07:43:28 AM »

http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index.html

The Ground Zero of the Grassy Knoll

9 Pages long! I only made it through the first two so far.

But I'm feeling that the author thinks we are all just a bunch of crazies wearing tin foil hats.

I've had so many people ask me, the government just couldn't pull this off. They just couldn't have covered all the bases -

Then that means that Arabs with box cutters totally took down our trillion dollar security systems and flipped the bird at big, bad America. That just seems harder to believe for me.

Or if the above is true, and it was the "terrorists" I think plenty of people knew it was coming, and helped it along. A win-win for everybody except the American, Afghanistan and Iraqi people!

Course I expect we will still be trying to figure this out just like the Grassy Knoll.

Man look how far we've come since that day! Just look how many new millionaires and billionaires we have. And how very safe we are now!


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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2006, 08:05:10 AM »

http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index.html

The Ground Zero of the Grassy Knoll

9 Pages long! I only made it through the first two so far.

But I'm feeling that the author thinks we are all just a bunch of crazies wearing tin foil hats.

I've had so many people ask me, the government just couldn't pull this off. They just couldn't have covered all the bases -

Then that means that Arabs with box cutters totally took down our trillion dollar security systems and flipped the bird at big, bad America. That just seems harder to believe for me.

Or if the above is true, and it was the "terrorists" I think plenty of people knew it was coming, and helped it along. A win-win for everybody except the American, Afghanistan and Iraqi people!

Course I expect we will still be trying to figure this out just like the Grassy Knoll.

Man look how far we've come since that day! Just look how many new millionaires and billionaires we have. And how very safe we are now!

Prior to 9/11 there was no real security.  Everything ran pretty much on trust.  So yes I can believe that a bunch of arabs were successful.  There may have been some faction of the government involved, we will probably never know.  I suspect that if there was it will be or has been dealt with through some clandestine means.  The government is a living organisim, and like all living organisms, its prime directive is to survive.

What does how many millionaires there are have to do with it?  I think you are confusing multiple events and paradigm changes.

As far as how safe we are now, we are not safe, and it is not possible to be safe.  Safety is a myth that cannot be achieved unless every one of us is behind bars or everyone person stops thinking about terrorism.  The more we react to terrorism, the more power we give it, and the more we energize the terrorists.  They do what they do because they think it works.  When we react to it, we are showing them that it does work.

Whatever we think about, we give power to.  If a person thinks about other people having too much wealth, they really are thinking they themselves do not have enough, which only serves to attract scarcity in their own lives.  (that is THE secret in the movie The Secret BTW).  If a person thinks about terrorism, they are attracting terrorism to themselves and the world.  Right now, the whole world is obsessed with terrorism, so thats what we get. 
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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2006, 03:54:26 PM »

Loose Change made USA Today's A section.

It is a bit of tounge in cheek, but still its publicity.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm

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Called Loose Change, it is being downloaded from the Internet and shown in small screenings here and overseas. It is not alone in the genre, and it is not unusual in American history either to offer simplistic explanations or demonize opponents. Presidents from Andrew Jackson to Lyndon Johnson were accused by their contemporaries of massive government conspiracies.

The film appears especially popular among young people immersed in a Web culture brimming with sites that question the credibility of government. They see 9/11 as the defining moment of their lives.

"This is our generation's Vietnam, our generation's Kennedy assassination," says Korey Rowe, 23, the film's producer.

Professors and researchers of film and politics say the Internet is making it far easier to spread such theories because the traditional media are losing their hold on the news. The immense coverage of controversies and accusations surrounding the war on terror has created fertile ground for people who assign their own interpretations to photos, footage, eyewitnesses, investigations and newspaper accounts of what happened, they say.

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500 Conspiracy Buffs Meet to Seek the Truth of 9/11

CHICAGO, June 4 — In the ballroom foyer of the Embassy Suites Hotel, the two-day International Education and Strategy Conference for 9/11 Truth was off to a rollicking start.
In Salon Four, there was a presentation under way on the attack in Oklahoma City, while in the room next door, the splintered factions of the movement were asked — for sake of unity — to seek a common goal.

In the foyer, there were stick-pins for sale ("More gin, less Rummy"), and in the lecture halls discussions of the melting point of steel. "It's all documented," people said. Or: "The mass media is mass deception." Or, as strangers from the Internet shook hands: "Great to meet you. Love the work."

Such was the coming-out for the movement known as "9/11 Truth," a society of skeptics and scientists who believe the government was complicit in the terrorist attacks. In colleges and chat rooms on the Internet, this band of disbelievers has been trying for years to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

Whatever one thinks of the claim that the state would plan, then execute, a scheme to murder thousands of its own, there was something to the fact that more than 500 people — from Italy to Northern California — gathered for the weekend at a major chain hotel near the runways of O'Hare International. It was, in tone, half trade show, half political convention. There were talks on the Reichstag fire and the sinking of the Battleship Maine as precedents for 9/11. There were speeches by the lawyer for James Earl Ray, who claimed that a military conspiracy killed the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, and by a former operative for the British secret service, MI5.

"We feel at this point we've done a lot of solid research, but the American public still is not informed," said Michael Berger, press director for 911Truth.org, which sponsored the event. "We had to come up with a disciplined approach to get it out."
Mr. Berger, 40, is typical of 9/11 Truthers — a group that, in its rank and file, includes professors, chain-saw operators, mothers, engineers, activists, used-book sellers, pizza deliverymen, college students, a former fringe candidate for United States Senate and a long-haired fellow named hummux (pronounced who-mook) who, on and off, lived in a cave for 15 years.

The former owner of a recycling plant outside St. Louis, Mr. Berger joined the movement when he grew skeptical of why the 9/11 Commission had failed, to his sense of sufficiency, to answer how the building at 7 World Trade Center collapsed like a ton of bricks. It was his "9/11 trigger," the incident that drew him in, he said. For others, it might be the fact that the air-defense network did not prevent the attacks that day, or the appearance of thousands of "puts" — or short-sell bids — on the nation's airline stocks. (The 9/11 Commission found the sales innocuous.)

Such "red flags," as they are sometimes called, were the meat and potatoes of the keynote speech on Friday night by Alex Jones, who is the William Jennings Bryan of the 9/11 band. Mr. Jones, a syndicated radio host, is known for his larynx-tearing screeds against corruption — fiery, almost preacherly, addresses in which he sweats, balls his fists and often swerves from quoting Roman history to using foul language in a single breath.

At the lectern Friday night, beside a digital projection reading "History of Government Sponsored Terrorism," Mr. Jones set forth the central tenets of 9/11 Truth: that the military command that monitors aircraft "stood down" on the day of the attacks; that President Bush addressed children in a Florida classroom instead of being whisked off to the White House; that the hijackers, despite what the authorities say, were trained at American military bases; and that the towers did not collapse because of burning fuel and weakened steel but because of a "controlled demolition" caused by pre-set bombs.

According to the group's Web site, the motive for faking a terrorist attack was to allow the administration "to instantly implement policies its members have long supported, but which were otherwise infeasible."

The controlled-demolition theory is the sine qua non of the 9/11 movement — its basic claim and, in some sense, the one upon which all others rest. It is, of course, directly contradicted by the 10,000-page investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which held that jet-fuel fires distressed the towers' structure, which eventually collapsed.

The movement's answer to that report was written by Steven E. Jones, a professor of physics at Brigham Young University and the movement's expert in the matter of collapse. Dr. Jones, unlike Alex Jones, is a soft-spoken man who lets his writing do the talking. He composed an account of the destruction of the towers (www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html) that holds that "pre-positioned cutter-charges" brought the buildings down.

Like a prior generation of skeptics — those who doubted, say, the Warren Commission or the government's account of the Gulf of Tonkin attack — the 9/11 Truthers are dogged, at home and in the office, by friends and family who suspect that they may, in fact, be completely nuts.
"Elvis and Area 51 — we're sort of lumped together," said Harlan Dietrich, a recent college graduate from Austin, Tex. "It's attack the messenger, not the message every time."

To get the message out, the movement has gone beyond bumper stickers and "Kumbaya" into political action.

There is a plan, Mr. Berger said, to create a fund to support candidates on a 9/11 platform. There is a plan to create a network of college campus groups. There is a plan by the British delegation (such as it is, so far) to get members of Parliament to watch "Loose Change," the seminal movement DVD.
It would even seem the Truthers are not alone in believing the whole truth has not come out. A poll released last month by Zogby International found that 42 percent of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission "concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence" in the attacks. This is in addition to the Zogby poll two years ago that found that 49 percent of New York City residents agreed with the idea that some leaders "knew in advance" that the attacks were planned and failed to act.

Beneath the weekend's screenings and symposiums on geopolitics and mass-hypnotic trance lies a tradition of questioning concentrated power, both in public and in private hands, said Mark Fenster, a law professor at the University of Florida and author of "Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture."

As for the 9/11 Truthers, they were confident enough that their theories made sense that on Friday, as a kickoff to the conference, they met in Daley Plaza for a rally (though some called it Dealey Plaza). They marched up Kinzle Street to the local affiliate of NBC where, at the plate glass windows, they chanted, "Talking heads tell lies," as the news was being read.

"I hope you don't end up dead somewhere," a companion said to a participant, hours earlier as he dropped him at the Loop. "Don't worry," the participant said. "There's too many of us for that."

Note: The incredible 9/11 truth video "Loose Change" may be removed from Google due to legal challenges. For a media report on this, click here. To sign a petition calling for the release of crucial 9/11 documents and videos being withheld by the government:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172?ltl=1141667399. And for excellent ideas on how we can both expose and change the corrupt system that led to the 9/11 attacks: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/05/truth-and-reconciliation.html
 


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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2006, 07:17:03 AM »

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
August 2, 2006, Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public. Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission. Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission [said], "It was just so far from the truth." In an article scheduled to be on newsstands today, Vanity Fair magazine reports aspects of the commission debate...and publishes lengthy excerpts from military audiotapes recorded on Sept. 11. (see link below to article) ABC News aired excerpts last night. For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington. In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights


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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy- Too many coincidences
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 08:46:34 AM »

http://vyzygoth.com/photo.html

9 11 spelled out over and over in movies and television. a sick message from the perps that if they tell us in advance then it's ok?

or the holographic universe at work, and all of us picking up the clues subliminally?

the sheer number of these clues or messages is mind boggling.
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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2006, 07:04:33 PM »

aren't they saying the "worst event" in history....(thought that was the Holocaust---question?Does Holo- in Holocaust...have the same reference as in the word Hologram?...curious)..........history ....history?..........it's only been some odd years..................

STRANGE!!!!

we had a President who wants to "MAKE" history........ and events around his terms......which they deem history................that's his tower of Babel............making history.........building and building off of the dead to make history..........
everything he's been doing is just for that.......
he wants to be written.....
so to speak........
other folks are taking part in this.........for that same limelight............]


for some strange reason ....i think he his a Chancellor or maybe even Vizier for someone.....im not sure who?

i actually think these are the same folks...... who wanna destroy the Redman(the
Indian man).....i know ... i know...... everyone is being effected......but in all this hoot and holler...................everyone is speaking about the WEST the EAST.. the North the South.........but folks what about RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES.....this land........it's inhabitants........the land itself.........................im feeling they are trying ....to barranize it........and try to make it not liveable............the only folks who would this would be someone from the outside..........and for some reason im not speaking of another country...(well in some sense a possibilty) ...............like this all happened  at one point or another.............an advancement occured......individuals........endup in the sky..space possibly............probably been there for quite some time........................well........my point is..that we ARE part of the STAR "WARS"...so to speak...........but even actually THEY don't know who has been watching them.....yup the REAL DEAL- GOD-.......well...... my point once again is ...they are gonna try wreck it and rebuild it ... in their way .........well.............it has started all over..................but the thing is......... i think.....they are trying to get rid of spiritual races.........................but if not that ..............they are virus .........we are in a land who was originally inhabited by who again?....Native Indians.............ok ok here's my point......... during the wars the colonist provoked......many Indians were the main target..........ok.....now........who's to say they are still not the target..........  i hear folks say we being discriminated cause im black or white ...or arab or iraqi.....and soforth ..........................but the thing i would to point is .."Where is the Indian man"........who 's fighting for him or her in "Their" own land....................reservations..... are slow death camps.........while their surrounding lake and streams get blocked, polluted or dried out................and while their animal friends get mutilated.........and are not allowed to migrate........and the desolating of the lands.......................................and the records of the land which the Indians may understand more then any other on this land and hemisphere................you never know.......maybe that Alabama flooding isn't a freak accident............ have you ever thought maybe cause that's the way it originally WAS...............and people wondered why the indian migrated.......well for reasons such as these ......and the experiencing of seasons.......and land..........appreciation..................all i hear is rich folk that speak of these nice places now.........who don't really appreciate it for what it is......cause they want all this glam crap and start leveling and de-leveling things................................. Cry

i feel the Indian understand the Spirit of the Land.....or actually Spirit in general.................

and for some ....$#!@ing reason people are fine and dandy about it...........comfortably numb.............

remember too...........that Spain made their capital here after the conquest .....a capital for trade... originally............after that..........a take over..........

*sigh*
Remember the Indians of the Americas.....got along real fine.......and you know what .......they still do prayer for us .......still... either way .........

a forgiving race as well.................it's the anchor to this hemisphere...... Cry

these people are becoming -----MISSING     
with the land too..........oh yea.........and they want THEIR artifacts back too.....they are not meant for those other folks...if ya catch my drift...................
one more thing....look at the South (America).....it's being brought down ......demoralizing the inhabitants.....again from an outside disturbing source...(in Brazil they are taxed for RAIN WATER....what kinda shit is that....im talking from the gutter......tax....).......it's like the Americas is their last stop......
it's like they are clearing it ...to invade it somemore.........."they" wanna pillage........their relics their temples..their people................it's the time of the Knights Templar again......grrrr........what was divided is now being in some sense conquered...........................

the Indian blood cries out.....here in these lands..........have you ever wondered why some folks go on the brink.......this land breathes.......and KNOWS it's people are being slaughter and tortured ...............

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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 08:38:26 AM »

How about the latest piece of 9/11 revisionist history:

(8/9/06) World Trade Center - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641

I want to fricking puke.
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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 09:15:14 AM »

and right there staring you in the face is

11:11

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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2006, 12:13:43 PM »

and these be the taglines....... Undecided

The World Saw Evil That Day. Two Men Saw Something Else.


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Every generation has a defining moment.This was ours.


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they are sinking it deep into folks' mind and forethought........deep in the sub conscious...........and remember ...Oliver Stone is good at this......................he may not be doing all the natural born killers or the doors ...cinematography........but he knows what buttons to push.....................to spark interest.........speaking ....who saw the interview ...last night.(the WTC movie review)...it was on MTV.. channel 2....ummmm.....a couple other channels.........that was wild......his answers at times seemed like he wanted to laugh .....is he profiting more than we think............................................for example......who has The Doors movie......on DVD..............theres a couple versions of it.......well...........................check the extra features...watch the interview.....with his so-called pagan girlfriend......well.......she explained that ALOT......of the portraying of Jim Morrison...... was false...........almost to the point .... like it wasn't Stone's people who interviewed her.......cause for some reason .........i don't think she would...........she seemed like a sweet lady .....and she of of Jim was good...things........to the point where it expressed Jim in the most sincerest of ways....... she really loved him...............so who's to say the JFK movie is not fabricated...in the same sense.............and another ..... Nixon ...it seems to kinda demoralize the issue at hand... a diverting delusion....and Alexander too.............and they are all folks who have passed away .........Looking for Fidel.....and now ..he's going along in his deathbed......

theres that builing off of the dead stuff again......im not against the guy ....it's just ...something is point out something about all this ....but what?

oh wow.....special report......(he has announced the flick Son of the Morning Star-----due 2007)......
as Director:
1.Son of the Morning Star (2007) (announced)


2.World Trade Center (2006)
3.Alexander (2004)
... aka Alexandre (France)
4.Looking for Fidel (2004) (TV)
5."America Undercover"
    - Looking for Fidel (2004) TV Episode
    - Persona Non Grata (2003) TV Episode
6.Persona Non Grata (2003)
7.Comandante (2003)
... aka Comandante (Spain)


8.Any Given Sunday (1999)
9.U Turn (1997)
... aka U Turn - Ici commence l'enfer (France)
10.Nixon (1995)
11.Natural Born Killers (1994)
12.Heaven & Earth (1993)
... aka Entre ciel et terre (France)
13.JFK (1991)
... aka JFK (France)
14.The Doors (1991)


15.Born on the Fourth of July (1989)
16.Talk Radio (1988)
17.Wall Street (1987)
18.Platoon (1986)
19.Salvador (1986)
20.The Hand (1981)


21.Mad Man of Martinique (1979)
22.Seizure (1974)
... aka Queen of Evil
... aka Tango macabre (Canada: French title)
23.Last Year in Viet Nam (1971)


As Producer:
1.Son of the Morning Star (2007) (announced) (executive producer)


2.World Trade Center (2006) (producer)
3.Alexander (2004) (producer)
... aka Alexandre (France)
4.Comandante (2003) (producer)
... aka Comandante (Spain)
5.The Day Reagan Was Shot (2001) (TV) (executive producer)


6.Any Given Sunday (1999) (executive producer)
7.The Corruptor (1999) (executive producer)
8.Savior (1998) (producer)
9.The Last Days of Kennedy and King (1998) (executive producer)
... aka Assassinated: The Last Days of Kennedy and King (USA: cable TV title)
10.Cold Around the Heart (1997) (executive producer)
11.The People vs. Larry Flynt (1996) (producer)
... aka Larry Flynt (Canada: French title)
12.Killer: A Journal of Murder (1996) (executive producer)
... aka The Killer
13.Freeway (1996) (executive producer)
14.Nixon (1995) (producer)
15.Indictment: The McMartin Trial (1995) (TV) (executive producer)
16.The New Age (1994) (producer)
17.The Joy Luck Club (1993) (executive producer)
18."Wild Palms" (1993) (mini) TV Series (executive producer)
19.Heaven & Earth (1993) (producer)
... aka Entre ciel et terre (France)
20.South Central (1992) (producer)
21.Zebrahead (1992) (executive producer)
... aka The Colour of Love (UK)
22.JFK (1991) (producer)
... aka JFK (France)
23.Iron Maze (1991) (executive producer)
24.Reversal of Fortune (1990) (producer)
25.Blue Steel (1990) (producer)


26.Born on the Fourth of July (1989) (producer)
27.Salvador (1986) (producer)


28.Sugar Cookies (1973) (associate producer) (as Oliver W. Stone) (producer)
... aka Love Me My Way (UK)



Dang look at these titles.............hmmmmmmm Shocked Lips Sealed
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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 11:38:47 AM »

i know ...i know wrong topic ...or is it..........but hasn't it been a given that JAY-ZEE.....was involved with the UN..........

all the pointers were pointing towards him......wow....since heck right after 9-11.........

didn't anybody notice how big he became....in such a short time........but in actuallity ...he wasn't...........(cause it takes alot more time then that....not everybody WAS listening to his music........like they were trying to make him something like a Michael Jackson)..............................................Royalties are battling here what's going on.....................oh who did he marry again....hmmm........the Destiny's Child.........(B. Knowles..is that how it's spelled)......and how back on goro's site......remember all the album covers from different hip-hop artists .... pointing to 9-11 events.........remember.......something is fishy....someone is in cahoots with someone..............has anybody also notice ...how alot of those artists present themselves as royalty...and......man and do they ever......showing no humilty........and showing more and more destructive processes...........the bone is thrown in the air(2001-Ody.)............
this corporation....... the USA...... well now ...well even before i thought this...but ....it was sold off ..........and i think this was during WWII....................and sold it to the Asian Super powers...........remember Tibet...hmmm...
now it's for bigger game.............
it's early in the morning....im ranting ....... ???LOLlet me wake up ........and i'll correct myself...lol......hey guys im not trying to rally folks.......just trying to understand the motives ...that's all.....we gotta be there for eachother .........

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Re: Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 08:11:51 AM »

some very interesting points Daniel.

Corporation USA?

and hip hop and 9 11?

Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, and

Britney and

Paris

I grow more appalled every day at role models we are pushing to our children. And those role models are so pushing money/power/sex

and now motherhood.

just rambling along with you Daniel.

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