2012

[Summer Wine]

http://thepythia.proboards22.com/
found this little research puzzle at the above esoteric forum

What do the Sybilline Prophecies, the Pythian Prophecies, the I-Ching Prophecies, the Mayan Prophecies, and the "Merlin" Prophecies (Yes Virginia, there really was a historical Merlin not of myth, his real name was spelled "Myrddin "!) all share in common?

2012!


Yes, they ALL share the year 2012 as their predicted date of the either/or "End of Days"/world/era/cycles/time.

*What do the Sybil and Pythia share in common? Yes, "Virgin" High Priestess' and Oracles - but also they share a "title /position or rank"as "Magdalene". *

And just googling all kinds of information is there to be found -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wives_aboard_the_Ark
Although the Book of Genesis in the Bible does not give any information about the four women it says were aboard Noah's Ark (who had supposedly witnessed the days before the Flood), there exist substantial extra-Biblical traditions regarding these women and their names

In the Book of Jubilees, known to have been in use from the late 2nd century BC, the names of the wives of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are as follows:

Wife of Noah - Emzara
Wife of Shem - Sedeqetelebab
Wife of Ham - Ne'elatama'uk or Na'eltama'uk
Wife of Japheth - 'Adataneses
It adds that the three sons after some years struck out in different directions from the original camp near Mount Ararat and founded three villages bearing the names of these three mothers of the human race.


[edit] Sibylline oracles
According to the Sibylline Oracles the wives of Shem, Ham and Japheth enjoyed fantastically long lifespans, living for centuries, while speaking prophecy to each generation they saw come and go. (These are not considered to be the Sibylline books of the Greeks and Romans, which were lost in antiquity, but rather pseudo-Oracles dating from the middle of the second century BC at the earliest to the fifth century AD, composed by Alexandrian Jews and revised and enriched by later Christian editors, all adding texts in the interests of their respective religions.) According to the anonymous preface of the Judeo-Christian Sibylline Oracles, the Sibyl author was a daughter-in-law of Noah: the "Babylonian Sibyl", Sambethe ? who, 900 years after the Deluge, allegedly moved to Greece and began writing the Oracles. The writings attributed to her (at the end of Book III) also hint at possible names of her family who would have lived before the Flood - father Gnostos, mother Circe; elsewhere (in book V) she calls 'Isis' her sister. Other early sources similarly name one of the Sybils as Sabba (see Sibyl entry in Jewish Encyclopedia).

http://fusionanomaly.net/delphi.html

the Great Mother was known as the Queen Bee and her priestesses were Melissae, the Bees. Pindar says that the Pythian priestess at Delphi was known as the Delphic Bee, and her emblematic bee appeared on Delphic coins. "    - _Dictionary of Symbolic & Mythological Animals_, Cooper
 
references in the film _The Matrix_ (1999)
 
The Delphic Oracle/Sybil of the Sistine Chapel has these colors: green top, orange skirt, blue sash.   The Oracle's kitchen also has these colors: green countertops and orange cabinets.
"There are two sentences inscribed upon the Delphic oracle, hugely accommodated to the usages of one's life: 'Know thyself,' and 'Nothing too much;' and upon these all other precepts depend." - Plutarch - Consolation to Apollonius

The Oracle to Neo: "You know what that means? It's Latin. Means know thyself."

[Xaos]

Wow those are quite the series of connections, especially with the bees, which has been around in the news lately

There is also this:


Known as the Tassili Bee Shaman, from 6,000-9,000 B.C.E

And I wont even get into the releation between mushrooms and the 'end time event' in this thread, but here is a little
informative story that gives some insight (PDF link, but its a small file):

http://www.karunabooks.net/library/the_bee_men_of_tassili.pdf

So many connections though. Ive been looking into a lot of the concept behind reverse causality, and to my puny mortal
brain thats the only thing I have discovered at the moment that could somehow partially explain why the 2012 date ties
into so many cultures and belief systems. I know a lot of people think that some of these cultures obtained the date by
outside influence given to them by spirits, aliens, or whatever. But I dont think any culture needed such a thing, that
the knowledge has always been with us, just a matter of deciphering it.

[Summer Wine]

That was a great link, Xaos. On many days when I am not hammered by the 9 to 5 of this illusion, I sincerely see, feel and think that many of the things that are presently happening are signals or messages from some deep knowingness from Gaia or the universe.

All is not what it appears.

[Daniel of the Rose]

hello dudes and dudettes ......im back....lol

are you all doing well?

im sure of it.......

and by the way summer wine.......keep up  ..you're doing swell....

 

and for all the rest ........   stay in grace and in good faith........

love you all.......... 

[annemarie j]

Xaos,

Thanks for that link. It's amazing.

This might sound silly, but since I'm focused on words, their mystery, majic, and meaning, I had this thought...


Human Bee-ing. What say you? I say, why not! There's so much majic, mysticism, and deep meaning in words. So why are we called "human beings"? Does make one wonder, does it not.

See here for several meanings of the word "being":

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/being


Some meanings:
1.   the fact of existing; existence (as opposed to nonexistence).
2.   conscious, mortal existence; life: Our being is as an instantaneous flash of light in the midst of eternal night.
3.   substance or nature: of such a being as to arouse fear.
4.   something that exists: inanimate beings.
5.   a living thing: strange, exotic beings that live in the depths of the sea.
6.   a human being; person: the most beautiful being you could imagine.
7.   (initial capital letter) God.
8.   Philosophy.
a.   that which has actuality either materially or in idea.
b.   absolute existence in a complete or perfect state, lacking no essential characteristic; essence.

Oh lookat number 7! Being means God. Human beings then means human gods? hmm....?  Also 8b (heh heh). That's a doozy!

I did mushrooms. Once. When I was 16. Was in a beautiful mountain-park in Quebec, near a river. Spectacular. The trip lasted about 8 hours, a full day. The weather was hot, sunny, brilliant. What I remember: that I could barely speak. Could barely utter a single word. Without great effort. Was also loaded with apprehension (anxiety) about speaking. Feeling or sensing that I could only speak only truth, and that I might reveal my inner self, whole, true feelings; all of which I was very afraid/reluctant, or  shy/timid to express. So I mostly did not speak for almost 8 hours, while hiking thru that perfect region with my then-boyfriend, and another couple. I also remember distinctly feeling very fluid, and that all around me was fluid-feeling too. My body felt very light, not dense or heavy. And my eyes, ears, my sense of smell, etc. were extra keen. I could hear, see, smell more than usual. And though everything looked and felt very liquid, or fluid, I don't recall having any hallucinations, or any out-of-body experience. Had no after- or side-effects either. But the trip was so intense, that I doubt I'd want to do 'shrooms again.

Thank you again. Me head is spinning from reading that story. . ta, am

Hallo Daniel, hallo ever body!

[annemarie j]

Husband just got home from work. Told him about the Bees n shrooms story. He said, you won't believe what I've got today. And pulled this out of his knapsack, latest copy of Computer Arts. Here it is for all to see

[Xaos]

annemarie -

Yes, liquidness, I get that too, almost with every experiece Ive had. I havent quite figured out what it is, but I think
its quite interesting...almost feeling like you're underwater.

That magazine cover is crazy. I go and pick up Computer Arts and other similar mags every now and then, so I'll
be sure to keep an eye out for that issue. Seems the mushrooms are more representative of Amanitas, which are
the red and white spotted mushrooms, and are very different than the psilocybin based 'magic mushrooms', but
just as significant in many cultures as well due to their "magic flying properties" hehe.

Back to Summer's original post on the Delphi Oracles and Pythia...
I have a book with a lot of info about this and their practices, however I'll have to dig through my library and find
it again, but when I do I'll copy some stuff on here about it that you may find interesting.

[Summer Wine]

I can't wait to read it Xaos. And Daniel so happy to hear from you was wondering where you went to, Welcome back, missed you.

 

[annemarie j]

p.s.

when thinking of bees, remember too what they produce (well the sweet ones) HONEY. And honey is the only natural food that never rots. It's like honey preserves itself, forever?!  Its properties may transform from liquid to grainy/solid, but it doesn't rot. Could honey be "manna" from heaven?

[eugene]

"A dog returns to its own vomit" is a bad thing in the 'proverbial' sense and gets turned on its head with bees and their vomit. The manna aspect of your insightful take is found in jar+honey+mushroom = take god forming food with you wherever you go. Entheogenic is "to form god within" and gives one a solid reason for the ongoing pharmacratic inquistion foisted on humanity for the last two thousand years.

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/main/

Imagine the amount of space left in ones head after you eat a mushroom you thought was only food in the belly sense. Imagine the time space shift of one who has not been there before. Horizons vastly expanded. Symbols seen. Veils of reality rent. God speaking to you or maybe beings from the sky took me.

"Take this scroll and eat and my stomach became bitter" is a more than apt description of ingesting the genitilia of God. Mushrooms are penile in shape to most, this is easy, its the androgyne nature of the mushroom that is not so recognized. The top opens as vagina to receive the stem from below and is truly hermaphroditic.

God bless the late great John Allegro. He broke many of the language barriers on the Dead Sea Scrolls that 'establishment scholars' wouldnt. Some mushrooms bruise blue. All involve the dual nature of poison as remedy. The poison when dried becomes beneficial. The state of mind death must be passed through to see the otherside is the path of the first mushroom taken. It forms a new reality or perspective. The interior of mans mind has been radically propelled forward by entheogenic plants.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/main/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=18

http://www.forbiddenfruitpublishing.com/chris/index.html

http://www.iamshaman.com/

"We dont do drugs at this school or in this community. Got this Billy? Now be a good boy and take your ritalin."

[Xaos]

One note on eugene's post:

I do not recommend www.iamshaman.com for their services. They have
become increasingly notorious of selling bad products and ripping customers
off. If you're interested in any of the products they offer, PM me and I will
recommend you a vendor that is trustworthy and safe.

In relation to gnosticmedia.com and the Pharmacratic Inquisition, I think thats
an awesome site. I have listened to several interviews with Jan Irvin and Andrew
Rutajit through www.radiorbit.com and they're very cool guys. I recommend
checking out their book "Astrotheology and Shamanism" as well, its well worth
the read.

Also, check out this mp3 by iTom Lab which features Jan Irvin in a voice over:
Ethno-Pharmaco-Astro-Theology
Its freakin' awesome.

You can also download the whole album for free here.
Scroll down to Sept. 28th 2006

The album also featuers voice over tracks from McKenna and another from Jan Irvin. Kind of trance/technoish,
but very well put together I think, more subtle and relaxing than harsh.



Summer -
I still have yet to look for those entries in my books on the Oracle's, but I havent forgotten,
I'll get to them as soon as I can.

[Summer Wine]

Summer -
I still have yet to look for those entries in my books on the Oracle's, but I havent forgotten,
I'll get to them as soon as I can.

no problem, love reading your posts.

Well, I hope I am not going to muggle up this thread, but interesting that more than just the above prophecies all have 2012 in common -

http://www.crystalinks.com/cherokee.html
Cherokee Prophecies
Cherokee Star Constellation - Prophecy of the Rattlesnake
The Stars above and its configurations hold TIME UNTIME within its grasp upon all life. As all cultures sustain a Zodiac system written upon TIME UNTIME so also the Chickamaugan Cherokee of the Americas hold also an Ancient Zodiac of the heavens.

Within the Zodiac of the Heavens of the Chickamauga Cherokee are etched Ancient designs written upon and within the lines of seeing. The Cherokee Zodiac is alive and moves and spins upon the rings of TIME UNTIME. As the main outline remains its hold and is stationed in the sky of stars its movement within that frozen outline does indeed change with the movements of the other elements. Elements within the rotations planets, stars, and bodies of the heavens. As other cultures station their Zodiac as a permanent fixture the Cherokee Zodiac morphs or changes and becomes as if ALIVE. Always Alive, breaths, lives, and takes upon each constellation its own deeming of things, TIME UNTIME, and among those things, PROPHECY.

The Constellations of the Chickamaugan Cherokee are 13 fold which contain the characterizations of mainly animals. Among the many design configurations seen written upon the stars are the designs of animals, objects, and many other elements of TIME UNTIME. The figures of the sky are totally different from other cultures of the Zodiac except for a rare few which seem to be similar. The only one which seems to relative to similarity is found within the Cherokee Constellation Scorpion and Snake and this in relation to others as Scorpio and Serpent.

This is the story of only one of those constellations. This is of the Cherokee Constellation Rattlesnake. And within this one Constellation is found a PROPHECY. Within the Rattlesnake of the Heavens is found TIME UNTIME foretold since the dawn of TIME.

In the sky is found the figure of a Snake. And upon this snake it is the outline of a Rattlesnake. Sometimes the Serpent and the Rattlesnake take on its bearing of one or the other but the Snake of the Rattlesnake is ITS design.

The Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation is not like other cultures of the world. The Cherokee Rattlesnake in the Heavens has a head and winds itself back and forth with its body as in sidewinding itself to its tail. The boundary of the Rattlesnake is unlike the boundaries of other Zodiac cultures. In the Heavens the Pleiades Star System is found as the tip of the Rattlesnake tail.

The Rattlesnake of the Cherokee is very sacred and its sacredness is written even in the Heavens. Upon the mouth of the Rattlesnake is found 52 scales. These scales in number of 52 is written upon the Calendar of the Cherokee and upon the wheels and rings of TIME UNTIME. The Calendar of the Cherokee spins upon wheels and rings as a sophisticated dating system. A dating system that not only tells TIME of events, people, places, and things but also a very holy and sacred element within the Cherokee culture itself of ALL THINGS.

The Rattlesnake can sometimes be imaged as a serpent. To be a Serpent or to be the Rattlesnake depends on the knowing of the TIMES and TIMES of TIME UNTIME. To know the culture of the Cherokee and its Ancient design upon LIFE. One MUST know the things of TIME UNTIME in order to place the constellation as a Rattlesnake or a Serpent. But this is another story.

The stationary outline is always of the Rattlesnake. However upon the wheels of the Cherokee calendar is also found when where how what who in its changing and transformation. The transformation is not the changing of the shape of the Rattlesnake but the addition or subtraction of elements upon the snake itself. These things also tell the tales of the universe and all its bearing of what was, what is, and to be.

On the Cherokee Calendar a great thing is foretold of things about to take shape within all things upon the earth, the heavens, and the universe. And the Rattlesnake Constellation is one of those which speaks as a voice of TIME UNTIME of things to be.

Upon the Cherokee Calendar Rings and written in the Star Constellation Rattlesnake is a prophecy of TIME UNTIME.

And so it is thus foretold ....

When the Earth sees the fingers of Spearfinger strike Jupiter, when the ages of the Rings and wheels tell it is the ending of the ages of cycles of 5, this will be the sign for the whole earth, for all the earth will see this thing, to wake up from sleep. These fingers that stuck Jupiter was the comet fragments that hit Jupiter in the 1990s and the whole earth took of is majesty. This was the sign foretold on the Calendar for the Cherokee people to WAKE UP to come out of sleep.

The Cherokee Calendar also speaks its voice telling that at this time of the fingers striking Jupiter that Orion Star System will awaken. And the Pleiades and Orion will war once again as in old. Jupiter and Venus will awaken to its destiny of TIME UNTIME of cycles. Orion will WAR with Pleadies, Jupiter will WAR with Venus. The time of the Cherokee UKU's will be at hand.

In the year 2004 and 2012 an alignment will take place both on the Cherokee Calendar and in the heavens of the Rattlesnake Constellation both. It is the time of the doublehead serpent stick. It is the time of the Red of Orion and Jupiter against White Blue of Pleadies and Venus. It is the time of the Uku's choosing. It is the time of the Beloved Woman and MYSTERIES OF TIME UNTIME. It is the Time Untime of the THUNDERBOLT and the spirits of Lightning Mountains.

In the year 2004 and 2012 the Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation will take on a different configuration. The Snake itself will remain, however, upon the Rattlesnake shall be added upon its head feathers, its eyes will open and glow, wings spring forth as a winged Rattlesnake, it shall have hands and arms and in its hands shall be found a bowl. The bowl will hold blood. Upon its tail of 7 rattles shall be the glowing and movement of Pleiades.

The Rattlesnake shall become a FEATHERED RATTLESNAKE or FEATHERED SERPENT of TIME UNTIME.

And upon the Rattlesnake is also the Milky Way. A crossing of the Milky Way shall be seen at these times.

For the center of the Universe is what many know as the Constellation Sagittarius by modern man. But upon this constellation of is also found the Pleiades Star system which is what is different in the boundary of others and the Cherokee Zodiac.

The Milky Way is ALSO a Tree ... STONE TREE. And upon Stone Tree is as a Tree with a tree trunk, branches, a top, and even roots. The Flower and the Tree is also a tassel as corn. And upon the flower and the tree is the TREE OF LIFE. REBIRTH, RENEWAL, NEW.

And the Cherokee Calendar shall end in the year 2012. But upon the times just prior shall be the Feathered Serpent and its prophecy.

Upon the Heavens design, within the Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation, it is written. And upon the Rings of TIME UNTIME of the Cherokee Calendar it also says BEHOLD RATTLESNAKE CONSTELATION. And Remember.

The Rings of the Cherokee Calendar are read by the winding motion of the Rattlesnake. To Add or to subtract TIME UNTIME. To MOVE the Wheels backward or forward, to add a wheel to move the rings, to tell the tale what was, what is, and to be. The Rattlesnake and it design tells the movement of the RINGS OF TIME.

And in the sky heavens the motions of the movement of stars, planets, and life tell the tale of its bearing. For all is as the winding of the Rattlesnake. And in the year 2004 the Morning Star shall be first and in the year 2012 the Evening Star shall be first. And upon those years the crown of the Feathered Serpent shall bear its colors and honor. The hands shall hold the bowl and the tail shall be as the roots of a Tree, The Pleaides Tree of the beginning.

And in the Year 2004 and 2012 shall be the TIME UNTIME of the Feathered Serpent of the Sky Heavens. And the Rings shall turn upon those years of prophecy foretold on the Rings of TIME UNTIME. And Ywahoo Falls Kentucky shall sing of Venus and the Feathered Rattlesnake.

For this is not all the prophecy not all the things thereof. For if it was meant for one to know and I give only part, then you have received a great gift. For if I tell all and it was not meant for one to know then I have waisted my breath. For this is a sacred thing, the Venus Alignment and the Feathered Serpent of the Heavens.

And in the Year 2012 the Cherokee Calendar Ends. And all is reborn. For the Feathered Rattlsnake comes and shall be seen in the heavens in the year 2004 to 2012.

In the south of the americas ... it is related as the coming of Quetzalcoatl. The Ancient Cherokee relate it as the coming of the Pale One once again.

The Rattlesnake Constelation shall appear with the Venus Alignment. The Stars of the Heavens of the Cherokee Zodiac, the Rings of the Calendar, and The Venus Alignment tell the story of a Chickamaugan Prophecy. For they all are aligned in the year 2004 to 2012.


Monster With The White Eyes
Handed down as a traditional Cherokee story from grandmother to grandchild, the storyteller cautions that long ago before the Europeans discovered Turtle Island and her indigenous people, the elders of those people warned of the monsters with white eyes yet to come.

Similar stories are to be found among the Aztecs and Mexican people.

The spirits foretold that the monster with white eyes would cross the great eastern water.

The monster would possess evil and terrifying power, and would wreak destruction in its path.

The spirits of the animals and trees began to wither.

Prophecy states that Mother Earth herself would be devastated and her heartbeat would become faint. The monster was said to devour the children of Turtle Island tribe by tribe, with no escape.

If one did survive, its spirit would be dead since it would now be lost and have no connection to its ancestors.

The story tells that one day the Earth would begin to sing a death song due to the severity of the harsh conditions.

When this happens, the children of the people who followed the white-eyed monster to the island would look into their hearts and realize that they faced annihilation at the hands of their fathers.

They would find that the spirits of the children of the tribes had been reborn, waiting to guide the children of the white-eyed monster.

The few keepers of the truth would emerge, becoming strong enough to overcome the power of the white-eyed monster, restoring Mother Earth back to health.

The children of the tribes of Turtle Island would lead the people back to the right way. The races would live in peace, the spirit of the animals and trees would return to safety, and the monster with white eyes would fail to exist.

Other such prophecies are to be found in the Cherokee Legend of the White Snake.
 

[Snake is a metaphor for DNA]

[Summer Wine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_Carinae



Eta Carinae (η Carinae or η Car) is a highly luminous hypergiant star. Estimates of its mass range from 100?150 times the mass of the Sun, and its luminosity is about four million times that of the Sun.

Eta Carinae's chief significance for astrophysics is based on its giant eruption or supernova impostor event seen around 1843. In a few years, this star produced almost as much visible light as a supernova explosion, but it survived. Other supernova impostors have been seen in other galaxies, for instance SN 1961v in NGC 1058, but information on them is relatively sparse because they are far more distant than Eta Carinae. The supernova impostor phenomenon is thought to represent a surface instability; it is basically more mysterious than most real supernovae, because the mechanism is not yet understood.[1] Eta Carinae's giant eruption was the prototype for this phenomenon, and after 160 years the star's internal structure has not fully recovered.

One remarkable aspect of Eta Carinae is its changing brightness. It is currently classified as a luminous blue variable (LBV) star.

When Eta Carinae was first catalogued in 1677 by Edmond Halley, it was of the 4th magnitude, but by 1730, observers noticed it had brightened considerably, and was at that point one of the brightest stars in Carina. From there it dimmed again, and by 1782 was back to its former obscurity, but in 1820 it started growing in brightness again. By 1827 it had brightened more than tenfold, and reached its greatest brightness in April 1843, and with a magnitude of −0.8 it was the second brightest star in the night-time sky (after Sirius), despite its enormous distance (7,000?8,000 light-years).

Spectrographic monitoring of Eta Carinae[3] showed that some emission lines faded precisely every 5.52 years, and that this period was stable for decades. The star's radio emission, along with its X-ray brightness, also drop precipitously during these "events" as well. These variations, along with ultra-violet observations gives very high probability for the scenario that Eta Carinae is actually a binary star, in which a hot, lower mass star revolves around η Car in a 5.52-year, highly eccentric elliptical orbit.

Eta Carinae suddenly and unexpectedly doubled its brightness in 1998?1999. Currently (2006) it can be seen with the naked eye, because it is brighter than magnitude V=4.7 (see its brightness up to date 
http://lilen.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/EtaCar/



Computer image of the binary system model. The binary stars are in the center of the Homunculus. The period is 5.53 years, the orbits are very eccentric with a size similar to Jupiter orbit. Both stars have strong winds. The more massive (to the left) is the coldest one (~15000K) and the smaller one is hottest (~30000K). The winds suffer a tremendous collision heating the gas up to 63 million K (white arc in between the two stars). When the smaller star (smaller) approaches the periastron, it plunges inside the dense wind of the primary star, producing a blanketing of the UV ionizing photons. This is the mechanism under the periodic "blackouts" that occur cyclicly every 5.53 years. In X-rays the emission is enhanced near periastron, but the huge absorption produced by the column density of gas obscures the wind-wind colliding zone, producing an eclipse simultaneous with the ionization "blackout

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/dna.html
CAN GREEN PLANTS TALK TO US INTELLIGENTLY ?
ANGLES OF LIGHT-MESSENGERS AND TALKING DNA

Light from above entering the earth on an angle. Photon, angles of light, messenger particles. Now NASA finds that as this light touches chlorophyll in plants, heme in humans, it sets up a complex activity from amino acids into DNA , the encrypted intelligent message given to all living things. So the message comes from the angles of light. Green light.

Now from  Noetic Science Review April-July 1999, Dr Narby says. ? The spirits one sees in hallucinations are made of their own language, like DNA. Is DNA linked to the cosmic serpents from around the world."

TALKING PLANTS OF THE AMAZON JUNGLE
Now this gets very interesting and started in 1984 when Dr Narby was in Quirishari in the Amazon Valley. As they sat around the fire, he talked to a shaman or medicine man who said that he learned about the medicinal properties of plants by drinking a hallucinogenic brew. He claimed he could cure the bite of a deadly snake and said One learns these things by drinking ayahuasca.? Dr Narby said, that when he said this he was not smiling.

Now the question that was spinning around in Dr Narbys head was , did the information come from the brain as a result of the hallucination or was the hallucination actually a message from the plant. In other words was the DNA from the plant conversing with the DNA of the brain.

WHAT ABOUT THE GREEKS ?
Isn't it reminiscent of our question concerning classical Greeks. How could people thousands of years ago know about quantum physics, electrons, nuclear energy etc. Who taught them. Here Dr. Narby asks how could Shamans in the middle of the Amazon know about the molecular properties of plants and the art of combining them. Who told them.?

Now listen to the science involved here and then consider how these people of the Amazon could understand this. The green plant involved here is called ayahuasca. These people have used the brew from this plant for ages. The interesting point according to Dr. Narby is that in order for it to work you must combine two plants which must be boiled together .

The first contains a hallucinogenic substance called dimethyltryptamine which also seems to be secreted by the brain. But this hallucinogen has no effect when swallowed because a stomach enzyme blocks it. The second plant however contains several substances that inactivate the precise stomach enzyme allowing the hallucinogen to reach the brain.

HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY KNOW ?
So with all the billions of green plants, somehow they knew which two had to be combined together to have the desired effect. Somehow out of all the green in the Amazon they found the plant with the hallucinogenic brain hormone and combined it with a vine that  inactivated the enzyme of the digestive tract which would otherwise block the effect. And they do this to modify their consciousness.



BUT DON'T TELL ME THE PLANTS TOLD THEM
Now we are talking about the power of green light here. Photosystem 1 as NASA would say, The Green Party.  As Dr Narby says, "It is as if they know the molecular properties of plants and the art of combining them and when one asks them how they know these things, they say that their knowledge comes directly from the hallucinogenic plants."

In other words a message is conveyed to them from the green plants. An intelligent message that comes from the outside to the inside and communicates somehow in a coded way that is decoded by the brain.

So Dr. Narby arrived at an initial conclusion that he puts this way. "Their knowledge was undeniable, but their explanations concerning the origin of their knowledge were unbelievable to me. My attitude was ambivalent, On the one hand I wanted to understand what they thought ,for instance about the reality of spirits, but on the other, I couldn't take seriously what they said because I did not believe it."

Not unlike our thoughts about the ancient Greeks. They have the knowledge, they prove that. But how in the world did they get it.?
 
The outside world of plants . Photosystem 1. NASA. The greatest power on earth. Now we refer back to the NASA report. A description of the molecular code reads like an encrypted message. An encrypted message. The people of the forest say they are getting the information on the molecular properties of plants from the plants themselves.

NASA seems to be confirming that light entering into chlorophyll of plants and heme of humans does exactly this. Hidden Meanings. Angles of Light, messenger particles.

DNA's entrance within the human body is via the light receptor which is the Pineal Gland, the single eye. There is a single eye on fire in the sky looking down at us now. A picture of it was on the front page of National Geographic, yet religion ignores it.

It is the same single eye that Jesus referred to in Matthew 6:22 when he said, if your eye be single your body will fill with light. Yet religion ignores it. It is Supernova 1987a.

The Single Eye or Pineal Gland in human beings is known as Epiphysis Cerebri. The word Epiphysis forms the basis of the Christian Holyday of Epiphany which is the enlightening. Epiphysis is another word for Pineal Gland.

If you will look at a  medical dictionary you will see the Pineal Gland which  is also called epiphysis. Then look up  Epiphany , that is defined as  a revelatory manifestation of a divine being. Consider that and look at Genesis 32:30

Genesis32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

I have seen God face to face. Wouldn't that qualify as a revelatory manifestation of a divine being. Pineal ? Another definition of Epiphany is  a spiritual flash that would change the way I viewed myself.?

Now how could you have an Epiphany, a spiritual flash that changes you. Wouldn?t that have to occur in your brain and as such wouldn?t it occur through the light receptor of the brain which is the Pineal Gland.?

ETA CARINAE   
THE KEEL OF THE SHIP
Notice in the last section where the word Protein has a derivative  which includes prow which is the forward part of a ship.

So let us consider the strange star Eta Carinae and how it figures in all of this.

This is the star that is tripling its energy and astronomers say they have no idea what this is. Research it on the web. See for yourself. Eta Carina or Carinae. It is baffling science.

The word ETA means 7th. The word Carina means keel od a ship or the breast of a bird. Is this the 7th Ship destined to bring the cargo of cosmic change?

keel1 (kl) n. 1. Nautical. a. The principal structural member of a ship, running lengthwise along the center line from bow to stern

So the scientists say that Eta Carinae is weird. They do not understand it. We asked. Is this the 7th ship. And now we see the connection to the word protein which is the fundamental part of life and the correction part of DNA. In addition, the ancient kar is the root of Cancer. The connection is the 7th Ship coming to liberate us not only from the cancer of the body, but from the cancer of the mind as well.

So can this coming of Cosmic Protein be Eta Carinae the 7th Ship. Along with the Single Eye which is the light receptor of the cosmic brain Supernova 1987a.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carina_%28constellation%29
Carina (IPA: /kəˈriːnə/, Latin: keel) is a southern constellation which forms part of the old constellation of Argo Navis. Argo Navis (or simply Argo) was a large southern constellation representing the Argo, the ship used by Jason and the Argonauts in Greek mythology. The abbreviation was "Arg" and the genitive was "Argūs".

It is the only one of Ptolemy's list of 48 constellations that is no longer officially recognised as a constellation  It contains Canopus, the second brightest star in the night sky, and the supermassive star η Carinae which is embedded in the giant Eta Carinae Nebula (NGC 3372).

As the Milky Way runs through Carina, there are a large number of open clusters in the constellation. These include NGC 2516 and IC 2602, the latter popularly known as the "Southern Pleiades." The most notable object in Carina is NGC 3372, the Eta Carinae Nebula, host to Eta Carinae, one of the Milky Way's largest stars.

[Daniel of the Rose]

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..........hey do you now see.......
you guys have been ....shall i say ON to it(on it)...........Well to tHe aspect Of .........of CERTAIN things you are searching towards...........

be in good faith buddies.........hey summer digging the cherokee story....... lots......      

[annemarie j]

Hey ever body

This thread is all over the place. But that's a good thing, right.?

How did they know? Summer, that is such an excellent question. One I've pondered many times. Here's one of my long-time favs: how did our ancestors know how to make bread? Who taught them? When you think about all the steps that are involved in making a simple, humble bread it's boggling. Cuz there are so many steps involved, e.g. pick the grain, seed, crush it into a flour, make a paste by adding water (maybe also yeast), knead it together, then let it sit or rise for a while, then bake it in an oven. What I'm saying is that some discoveries, perhaps many, were by accident, by experiment, by experimenting with combinations, etc... but for others like bakiing bread there is a specific, careful process. How could it have been discovered/learned by accident, or random experiments? Am I way off on this one? If not, the question stands: How did they know? If I'm wayyyy off, let me know. And it's okay to laugh. I'll laugh with you

Prompted by what Eugene wrote, I read some more on honey yesterday. This from wikipedia:
 
The Old Testament contains many references to honey as a symbol for all that is pleasant and desirable. For example, the book of Exodus famously describes the Promised Land as a 'land flowing with milk and honey' (33:3). There, however, the Hebrew devash refers to the sweet syrup produced from the juice of the date. In contrast, bees' honey is referred to explicitly in The Book of Judges when Samson found a swarm of bees and honey in the carcass of a lion (14:. The word "honey" appears 61 times in the King James Version of the Bible.

There's way more. But that's interesting, is it not.

So many connexions....so little time